Those two must also be connected which ever method is selected to correct the problem. If you havent done it in a while, theres a very good chance that it will help solve whatevers going on. Any ideas? Hot water is a good thing!! I am calling the plumber who installed it. I also drained a small amount of sediment from the bottom of the tank, which was mostly brown water. Thanks! Flushing the tank briefly seems to be a pre-requisite for this fix, so do that first. Do you know if the Rinnai is any better than the Jaccuzi? Update your shipping location. Many thousands of these units replaced unneccessarily because of this coding error and the fact so few regularly do the tank flush. I understand that the Honeywell product is in recall. I shorted every connection on the board to the only connection marked GND rather than wait the hour. The unit will go to 7 blinks initially, but the burners will kick on and after a bit will revert to 1 blink every few seconds (normal operation). Youre freaking awesome! Free! Although the part is covered under warranty, they will not just send a replacement. But get this They now want owners to drain and flush their tanks every 6 months so calcium will not build up on the sensors! Picture:here, 3. Pilot is lit but the led will not blink red at all it, how to reset this valve. Should save this to a word fileBut hopefully I wont ever need them again..My water heater is 2 years old and has a 6 year warranty on parts..I called Monday morning and spoke to a Johnathon (real nice fella) and he shipped me the whole thermostat assembly. Awesome articles you post on your blog, i have shared this article on my facebook. THANKS & GOD BLESS. thanks for all the details you put in it. Note the LED flash sequence. 40 gal, nat gas, no external attachments. So far, this one has continued to work for a while I can not tell yet if they have actually fixed them though. Just install the board with the cover removed as outlined. Opens in a new window or tab. It will die eventually and it would be nice to have the gas valve ready to go. 1. Operating Range: 0 to 150 F (-18 to 66 C)*, *Valve will operate at 0F (-18C) but valve, characteristics can not be guaranteed until, Storage Range: -40 to 150 F (-40 to 66 C), Humidity: 95% non-condensing at 104 F (40 C), This device is certified by Canadian Standards. I guess I will try tomorrow but I would appreciate any help anyone can offer me. My model doesnt have a pilot that is lit and stays on all of the time, but rather an electronic ignitor. I opened the cover again, left everything plugged in, took a piece of speaker wire with the plastic off of the ends, and held the wire ends to the top left pin and the top right pin for a few seconds. Since the old value was working again I just left it in there. Oh and THISis what it looks like in the little window when your BURNERSare running (water heater is heating). Voltage Minimum: 350 mV dc, open circuit. We have a drought in CA and losing 100 gallons (2 TANKS) of water every six months isnt backbreaking, but it sure is a pain that should not be in the design. This is a BRAND NEW Honeywell Gas Water Heater Control Valve. CS8840 pilot assemblies are designed for use with this control. The water heater would not work properly right out of the box. Working fine. COPY OF Honeywell Water Heater Gas Valve Instruction/ Spec. Nope! After reading most of this string I found a small piece of wire between the pilot light pin and main valve pin after pilot light was on did clear the code after relighting the pilot again to flashing 7 which normalized to one flash shortly after. Unscrew one screw at the bottom of the gas valve. Put the cover back on and relight the pilotand set your heat temperature. The original red light gas valve broke after 2 years. Is the designer still alive? If at first you dont succeed, try, try again. I have NEVER had a thermostat unit fail in 35 years of owning houses. * Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water 2000 coachman catalina water heater rv forum, The lp switch water heater 2000 coachmen [], [] Th106 honeywell aube th106 7 day programmable line, Comments 7 day programmable line volt thermostat electric heating: bought level house. Well, tried this with TWO circuit boards (one was original w/red LED, the second was replacement w/white LED). TheCrankyTenants worked for me. After trying multiple things mentioned here I finally unplugged the wires to the board only, tried to ignite then left it for a while and then plugged it in and it lit! Now it is one-blinking again. That signaled an error code for a fatal flaw in the water heater gas valve. Apparently the WV8840 valves designations are followed by a revision letter. Neither worked, the second board is now dead. detected: When this happens after the four flashes, it seems like this is saying something like, There has been a fault detected, and there is no fault any more. In other words, there was a fault and it went away. So while they said just use the sealant through out, I actually used a combination of both. I understand that the Honeywell product is in recall. The pilot on my waterheater went out over night. Because of these differences, I would recommend NOT to only replace the board, but to replace everything! I tried several times, and flushed the tank. What powers the light? Make an offer: Pre-owned. In particular, if you havent drained the sediment off the bottom of the tank, do that first. The government mandates all this crap that fails! At this point the flashing light went to the Heartbeat flash (call for heat), the exhaust flap opened and the ignitor lit the burner. ; 4. Thx loreleaf for the post and pics. and I am spreading the word, i bought 2 water heaters for 2 rentals from homedepo with the honeywell (status poop valve), i have no idea how one hasnt blown, (1) 1st. All, I called Whirlpool and they didnt hesitate to send a replacement which I need overnight because of my work schedule, so the $30 is worth it. Miller Lanyards and Shock Absorbers. Can a control valve partially fail like this? ~ diy-home-projects.vwx.info. Getting some hugs and kisses from the wife. Definitely will be draining sediment as a preventive measure later this week. I tried the simple unplug and reset for 10 minutes and plug back in it worked awesome. This seems like a part that needs to be recalled and a Class Action Lawsuit filed. The Water heater will appear to be working now, but in a several seconds it will figure out that something is wrong, and it will shutdown the pilot valve and the fire will shut off. Hope this information helps! It is . Since my valve is under warranty, I will be replacing it. Big thanks from MN! day installed it i had bad problems to lite, i called Co. they asked if a professional installed it, i told tech ive installed over 15 water heaters & never had this type of trouble, he kind of said that since im not a pro-with licence thats why its not lighting, i told him i didnt like this valve sytem & all 15 water with the old school red dial out lasted the 9 yr some worked till 12 years & why would i ever give $400 to install something i could do & i do know what Im doing just that this system not working at all, i got it 3 years & I got one of the lucky ones, the (2nd one)was built 07/20/2015 i got a call Fri 29th,16 my tenant said water heater stopped working & i had showed him how tom lite it in case im not around & it turns off, he tried many times, depress 1 1/2, 2 min, 3 min & nothing, i got a chance to look into it & i had assumed E-Z fix 5 min ill have it & running, wrong spent hour doing everything instructions had, i asked my tennat at what temp he had it on, he said a lil past the letyter (A) when i installed it i had told him never pass (A) i remember a friend who owns several homes (7) & he told me many nitemare stories of the Honeywell Valve status lite (poop)he was dealing with 7 faulty valves had to pay hotel 3-5 days while they ship parts, even then the water heater co. diagnosed problem wrong, he said a couple times they told him it was the thermopile that was causing pilot lite not to stay on, he waited for part, ordered the Valve although it had warranty but it didnt cover the wasted time, days & hotel for his tenants, but he some how found on his own that setting those types pass the letter (A) the water heater will over heat, thats whats going on with me, i checked everything spark good, pilot lights well but doesnt stay on & the status lite doesnt come on at all, its like its dead, so i called Co. tech guy told me oh thats an E-Z one & no brainner its your thermopile well let me tell my tenants 4 adults 3 teenagers of how E-Z theyll have it for 4 days without hot water you certified (DA=dumb ass)i still didnt feel good about that, i called my friend & my friend said ill bet you a $100 its going to be the thermo pile, call m back & have them send you new Valve & get on YouTube & sites to get help, these sites are extremely helpful, you save money, time, days waiting for part & most likely youll get wrong diagnosed, so Im gearing up & ready to get hot water for my tenants, its a rotten dirty shame that so many people have gotten ripped off by honeywell & no law suits for intentionally selling theyre valves to the water heater makers they too are at fault, at least those of us that can tinker with things are able to FIY i feel for the people who have get a licence person to install, then several months later have the valve burn out, call Co. then pro to install wrong part, wait more days for correct one ? They said it needs to be assessed by a factory authorized repairman. I now have no indicator lights at all and when I try to relight the pilot it does not appear that the gas valve is opening for pilot flow at all. Even though there are 4 higher settings! When that gets combined with another situation it can then escape the tight loop it appears to be in and in effect resets itself. I got right on the phone to service again and the first person said they would send out another Gas Control Valve, this time no charge for the shipping. Again, because Im somewhat inexperienced at this stuff, I found that there is a different teflon tape used for Gas than in plumbing. The Right top Pin is the main gas valve. Just came home one day and the pilot light was out (this is the second time). Lady on phone said they werent aware of any problems but our heater still under warranty and would send us a new valve. With the new unit, since it goes into the water tank itself, do you need to drain all the water from the tank before replacing it? Going to talk to Whirlpool and have them ship out the replacement. I set the temperature control to just below hot and the burner came on. So that is an option for those that want one straight away in town, or they will reimburse you. I keep flushing the tank through a short piece of hose every week or so and the water out looks pretty clean now so Ill only do it once every six months or so to keep it clean. Thank goodness I found this site. I dont know if this will last or not but it got us a reprieve as were hosting my daughters wedding shower in 2 days. . Unplug the power cord for 20 seconds The Wt8840 Series Is The Water Heater Control For Trade Use to replace WV8840 valves on AO Smith water Heaters. So far, so good but was looking up things that could go wrong and found this page. Direct Replacement: Gas Control Valve Kit (Natural Gas) Brand: AO Smith SKU: 100112336 ( 70) In Stock Get 297 Fri, Mar 3 Order by today, receive 297 by Friday VIEW REPLACEMENT Product Highlights - Natural Gas Description - Made in United States. It was very difficult to flush out and I ended removing it by use of a shop-vac and small hose modified to get through the valve hole. Bear with me guys, but Ive been whacked in the mellon for over 16 years, and am blessed that I can actually type, and am a little bit mechanically inclineda little. This time I turned to this forum. I had a failing honeywell on my AOS smith water heater this morning. Product guides and documents Product Documentation (PDF) I have to say that thhis is amazing. That said, I decided to tackle this replacement as I wasnt going to shell out a couple hundred for someone to come in and do it. What is top left pin and the top right pin you arereferring to, while holdingcircuit board still inside the controllerassembly and facing towards me which corner are youreferring to, can you please give me some details or a picture thatwould be great. At this point mine lit the main burner and blinked 7 a few times then blinked 1 1 1 1. And you also carry repair parts for other models that are now obsolete, right? and then refuse to buy if the answers are not yes and yes.. No, they want to sell you the whole valve, of course. I called toll-free number on side of tank (877-817-6750), described my issue and gave a serial number. Think I am out of my warrantee point but I will call and see if I can get a freebee. This option is great because it saves you a lot of plumbing and headaches replacing the old valve. In this case relight the pilot and try again. Buy It Now. Although the majority on this thread are dealing with Whirlpool heaters and the infamous 4 flashes of death, my heater is a brand new Rheem, installed just a couple weeks ago. I have a slight modification to make it even easier!!! Cheers. Asked the associate, he said they are all interchangeable. This changes to red flash code when there is an abnormal condition. The manual, and Sears parts deptartment, told me I needed a new control valve at $150. Although, the first time I did it, I only let it sit for about a half hour like he did, and I still got the 4 blinks and it wouldnt light. Its two pins go through the board. This last time, that did not work which led me to this posting and Rauls simple fix. It is interesting to note that the water remained lukewarm with just the pilot lit over the past several days. Got a 7 blink code which cleared to a 1 blink normal code after a few minutes. If peoples replacement valves with the white indicator lights dont fail about the same rate as the old ones, maybe Honeywell has resolved the issue. Tankless sounds good to me, but Im not an expert just another hapless victim who has learned from experience one more thing not to do. I used sealant on all the piping going into the valve assembly however I used teflon tape for the screwing portion of the assembly that goes into the tank and touches water. Wife called whirlpool Monday. At least it works again and Ill have the replacement ready if it ever fails again. Drain a few gallons, a little scale. I cleaned burner and vents as well. Theres a little white reset button on the plate covering the combustion chamber, but that doesnt seem to have any effect!?! The pilot would light and I let it sit for a few minutes running on pilot. My error condition began with very short intervals of error which reset themselves without my doing anything. Amazing! When utilities came to check gas pressure, my gas was shut off and meter opened for half hour or so. Thanks to your solution I will have hot water until the replacement value arrives. light the pilot and you still get the 7 flashes; however the water heater kicks back on and gets back up to temperature and shuts off as normal and you will see that your light now only flashes 1 time every 3 or 4 seconds. https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14129889951/ ENJOY, BIG BIG thanks to you, it worked i fixed it. It may show now the normal 1 code or it may show a 7 or maybe a 2. The Jaccuzi is available at Lowes. This happened again a day or 2 later and again, after a short while, the status led reverted back from the 5-flash red to the 1-flash blue. I did do a full drain and it was mostly small white particles which is probably from my water softener. Whirlpool did not improve their product going to this control valve thermostat. That would be nice. I think this Honeywell valve is pretty flakey. So I would recommend to you ( with Valve off the water heater and no gas applied, to test the pilot valve (left pin to (+))with the AA battery, and test the main valve (Right pin to (-)), and each individually should click. Should I bootstrap the thing by supplying my own voltage of 750mv and try David Boones most excellent fault reset procedure? So in my opinion, WAIT the extra day and save yourself the $20.One thing Johnathon DID request was I send the old one back and that he would place a return label in the packageWell I live 23 miles from town and not going to do a rush job for thatAND I kinda put the replacement on standby and like DB saidClearing the fault it may last for days or MONTHS before it does it again! Should I replace the Temperature sensor? Thanks again to everyones input you all are a life saver! If it has now cleared. Then plugged them in and lit pilot. 2. Is it flashing at you? The new gas valve arrived and after inspecting it I see they redesigned the probe that sets the 4 flash code with a stainless shield. The light started the all is good single blink and the furnace fired up. I did the same thing but it immediately returned to four flashes. Be sure you first fix the problem that caused the overheating usually you need to drain the tank (which is recommended as periodic maintenance anyway). If youre under warranty this is easy though theyll probably charge you for shipping, and extra if you want it fast. Nothing else worked for me. What a pile of JUNK!!! Miller MightyLite Leading Edge Self-Retracting Lifelines. They charged me $30 to ship a new white light control valve and i installed it. When I contacted Rheem again, without hesitation they said they were Fed-Exing me a new valve. Get a contractor model. Well, a couple of hours ago, (New Years Eve), my wife ended up in a cold bath again, so I went down and checked and this time it was the 4 flash code. I replaced my gas valve and only had to pay the shipping and smell bad for two days. This would do the same as pulling the connector off the board and relighting the pilot momentarily. Miller 3/4" Grip. So either the thermostat is faulty, or somehow theres something preventing heat transfer from the heating chamber and the water in the tank. Before I go on I want to point out that patience is a requirement in this repair, as it may take more than a couple of tries with these methods before results occur. And two finger-pressable connectors at the top. Thank you , thank you, thank you all in particular thank you David Boone. I let the water sit until the water in it is no longer hotthe last shower usually takes care of that. Sears is charging $181.64. As the days moved on, it continued happening more frequently and each time the red 5-flash error condition persisted longer and longer before resetting itself. and see what the thermostat looks like). The Controller should now work normally for a few days to months before it may fault again. Once reinstalled, it went into the 7 flash mode, but the pilot lit, and when set to HIGH it fired right off. WT8840 TRADE WATER HEATER CONTROLS 34-00013EF01 2 PLANNING THE INSTALLATION WARNING Fire or Explosion Hazard. I too thought no big deal to turn my water heater up ONE NOTCH!!! What is the easiest way to mimic the thermopile 750 milli volt so I can get the brains working without the pilot on. Wait a minute to be sure, then turn the knob to off, and disconnect (the RED and WHITE power leads first) everything and reassemble the controller normally and start it back up. OMG!! Of Course I am here because I got a call from my mother in-law that they had no hot water on the their brand new Water Heater. I turn the switch to off. Got the ominous 4 flash a couple days ago after turning heat up too high. The WT8840 Water Heater Control is designed for use in Standing Pilot applications using an immersion well for water temperature sensing. This would upset me less if I had hot water meanwhile! I have 4 blinking lights. If the new valve is basically the same model as the old one, you dont need to pay a plumber to replace the evil valve. The Thermopile already supplies the current necessary to open the gas valve! Isnt there any way to tell the gas valve to quit having a hissy fit and get back to work? I did follow the advise of flushing the tank. 5: Wait for the status light to start to blink (Mine alternated between 4 blinks and 5 blinks). However, I started getting a 5-flash code (water temperature sensor failure) shortly after install. Basically, the minerals heat less efficiently than the water, so the water has to get hotter than necessary. Other Issues That Cause Pilot Light Outages i followed your instructions and bingo! This is an excellent solution. NEVER TO BE PURCHASED AGAIN. Basically the Honeywell Electronic Gas Water Heater Controllers are crap (so far). Manufactured by Honeywell. I tried this simple solution you provided and it worked awesome. It Is Designed For Use In Standing Pilot Applications Using An Immersion Well For Water Temperature Sensing. Still working after these few months? I suspect it is modified by Honeywell to be less sensitive to the issue because of complaints. On 21 November, 2014 I performed the fix that Charles described on 29 July, 2014. If that didnt work, or if you already have the new valve and prefer the slightly simpler approach, proceed as follows. Last year the Pilot light kept going out by itself. Get it from e-bay, just look at picture to make sure it only has red & white wires to the right and NOwire to left side under COM.. Got the same 4 blinking lights Saturday . If you cant get the pilot lit, the thermopile that generates the .75 volt power to the controller will not be generating any power either. I had to pay $30 overnight shipping. This one broke after less that 1 year. New controller on the way but hot water is now flowing. If it overheats again, youll need to order yet another valve, or it will blow up, or something else you wont like. ~ diy-home-tips.vwx.info, Home Projects: Is It A Problem That I Have Two Of Each Color Wires On My Honeywell Thermostat?. This house is on city water with a water-softener it shouldnt need flushing very often. The main burner would go out without being up to temp (it may of been shutting off on the high limit ?) Turn the temp knob down to VAC (lowest setting for vacation) So is there now way to reset the white light model? Sediment in the bottom of a tank reduces efficient heat transfer from the heat source (gas or electric) to the water by putting a layer of less conductive minerals between the two. Called Whirlpool, got the run-around everyone else is getting, called a few plumbers who were all in the $150+/hour. I am so happy that the company replaced it for you. Im always happy to make book sales! Honeywell covered the replacement unit cost including shipping. worked for me. I will never buy anything from Kenmore or Honeywell! Far out. Guess that part is personal preference but I thought Id share. Plug the cord back in The thing is less then a week old!! Wow it worked great. Well, hows your repair going? WV4262E1107 it has a much larger board and connects a bit different. Next day shipping for 10 bucks? Use a flat tip screwdriver and remove the housing by putting the blade into the two top tabs and depressing slightly. Had to have come Tuesday. Thanks all and internet! and found a guy that removed the board allowing the capacitors to discharge fully, (just by removing the board). This is the second time mine has gone out in 27 months. Mine got here today, wont be changing it. I dont think it is cost effective. Bam! I didnt mind to pay for the shipping cost, but, what I minded was the device was poorly made. Had to do it twice for it to reset. I have the exact electronic gas valve unit on my Whirlpool water heater I purchased 3 years ago. All working fine now. The wires for the main burner valve solenoid had not broken. Thanks that was a big help and a $$ saver. It is now running with no problems thank you for saving me 125$ plus shipping. Do this at your own risk, your mileage may vary. One small jumper wire is all thats needed! Pull cover straight out to remove it. I will Includes an integrated NTC temperature sensor. I have always had it at one above on A. The results are nearly identical except that when I hooked up the external wires and the three wire plug on the circuit board and reassembled with the pilot on, the codes were different. I was afraid of cooking the old board. Was sent a new one with a bad (stuck) push button sparker. 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